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this is James Randi and you're listening

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yuria hosts Richard Saunders and Stefan

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hello Richard hey Steph it's great to

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see you again here we are back on the

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skeptics I'm good to see you you haven't

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of time off when overseas and did a bit

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of research in Hong Kong and all sorts

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of things that's birds it's good to be

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back and actually be in the same room

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with you instead of all this virtual

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stuff or this virtual stuff but thank

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you for that great interview with Tim

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mentioned ah thank you for letting me

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interview my first there's a lot of fun

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and a he's a great guy and we don't

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think we had a good old chat there he's

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a top bloke I saw his show and also you

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aw do you have to sort of chop it up a

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little yeah but this is just me and him

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just hanging out together and having a

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good old chat and yeah it's cool and

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that's available at skeptic zone TV or

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your you to my youtube channel of course

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but you can click through to that and

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see some other funny stuff as well if

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you are but yeah we're it we're going to

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show 28 unbelievable this show just

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keeps going and going and welcome to me

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and what a show oh I know I say this

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every time oh you do but this time i

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think you you're out stripping yourself

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again this is a bump up buzzer this

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really is a bumper show and it kicks off

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with that our interview of stephen fry

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the stephen fry the same oh yes oh yes

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and he's me he'll be talking to our

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reporter Carly Sturgis and we can't

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thank him enough he was so nice and

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generous with his time and the interview

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is one of the best we've done it's one

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test a scoop water scoop great interview

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with Stephen Fry coming up that's

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followed by a report from the Darwin

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Charles Darwin exhibition here in Sydney

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not the Sydney exhibition in Darwin not

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the Sydney exhibition and down but the

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dark magician in Sydney Sydney excellent

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so what sort of exit what is it just his

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it works his easel belongings or some of

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those and his sales and the history of

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dial and what he did and lots of relics

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ities for the moment excellent well

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therefore do that talk about that then a

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very important doctor a cheek mmm very

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tackling some pretty heavy issues to do

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crazy at the moment isn't that people

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anyway dr. AG ads over will give us the

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inside scoop on that another inside

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scoop we've got one of the first

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previews and reviews of Star Trek warder

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privileged few to go to the Opera House

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the Klingon I think the Vulcans x the

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Vulcans in his room yeah jealous as hell

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but he'll you'll be telling us all about

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Star Trek how i deceived myself I can't

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have a report from our friend Oh of our

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friend Ian Bryce and his popemobile oh

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everyone's done this is he in Bryce who

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court he is charged he was charged and

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this episode oh goodness me and never be

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followed by the thing the big tank of

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swashbuckling adventure in a bar

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Stephen Fry quick mention the doctor

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Ricci and myself will be heading down to

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Melbourne to give some talks on the

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thirtieth of May Sydney talks to

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Melbourne it's lovely to see the the

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dialogue going between the two to arch

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enemies there are dear friends leave the

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young Australian skeptics now their

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website is young us a us skeptics calm

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calm and you can find out all about the

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upcoming talks and Mel great site to ya

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so bum a bumper bumper bumper episode

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Stephen Fry Darwin everybody the Pope

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the Pope it's all happening let's not

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I'm Carly Sturgis and it is my great

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pleasure to be talking to Stephen Fry

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for the skeptic zone Stephen Fry is well

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known as an English actor comedian

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author television presenter and director

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during his university years he teamed up

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whimsical sketch show entitled a bit of

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fry and Laurie he has written several

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very well-received books including the

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liar the hippopotamus and half an

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autobiography called Moab is my wash pot

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more recently he produced a scholarly

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but friendly guide to understanding and

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writing poetry entitled the old less

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traveled you will have also seen him in

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and wooster and the popular quiz show qi

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Stephen Fry's spent a very short time in

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Australia whilst filming his next

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project and we're very proud to have him

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on the skeptic zone quad cast telling us

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firstly you have just returned from a

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lengthy round-the-world investigation

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based upon a book that Douglas Adams

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written it was called last chance to see

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and it was written back in nineteen

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ninety so what inspired you to recreate

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the journey that he and Mark warden

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completed mmm yes Douglas did describe

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last chance to see as his favorite book

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in some ways and I think that's because

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it changed his life his second chapter

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around the world and to look at these

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extraordinary habitats and the rare

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creatures that relied on them and caring

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for laterally now what inspired me to

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journey was well it was a number of

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visit to creatures like so many people

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generations i grew up on Natural History

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on television and it never occurred to

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me that I would ever actually be in you

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turtles and see all these amazing things

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very eyes all these things that i've

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seen have affected me profoundly and I

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been really remarkable you asked what

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euphoric state as one can ever

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something pharmaceutical or alcoholic I

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hatchlings green turtle hatchlings that

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of their nest over the dunes and into

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the sea it's an extraordinary life cycle

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that the giant these giant turtles have

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of Malaysia and it's not until they're

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turtle as fertile as they would say in

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America and they mate with the males and

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then they swim in on not necessarily

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moon that nights there's great term

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mistaken belief that it's all keyed to

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some biodynamic phase of the moon it's

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eggs and cover them up with their

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flippers it's extraordinary sight I was

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right next to one doing that right

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land just driven by this massive

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imperative to lay eggs credible site and

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cover them up and then eased its way

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there for six weeks and according to how

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words according to depth the cooler they

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more males will be born anyway that was

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a sight anyway to watch those hatchlings

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tiny little things streaming across just

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made perfectly I mean them really to fit

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made of clockwork and they're just

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machines that do one thing they struggle

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have this institute to go to the sea

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it's phenomenal no one quite knows why

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hatcheries where they've been

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now no longer have any metal anywhere

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these turtles they won't know exactly

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where you investigate attitudes towards

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the disease and another which is played

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recently on Australian television called

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the secret life of the manic depressive

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these are all very personal and powerful

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documentaries which must be a

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significant factor in your choosing to

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create them well you've said it yourself

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in the word personal they are personal

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to me and that's what compels one I

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suppose I I would be less compelled to

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tell a story about something that had no

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particular history or resonance with me

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I'm not saying I wouldn't and you know

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someone said would you do this

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documentary on mountain urine disease

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he's possible I would consider it but

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naturally I'm more drawn to things where

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I have some experience that I can bring

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to bear and otherwise why would I be the

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one to make the documentary yeah I

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suppose the the best kind of documentary

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it seems to me or at least a document of

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this nature is one that is a personal

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testimony so that's what drew me to it

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and I suppose there was an element in me

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that hoped there might be some form of

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catharsis in making it

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but I've been very pleased at the way

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people have responded to both of them

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the one on depression seems to have

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shown how large and yet how unspoken an

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issue it is for so many people in your

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news documentary last chance to see

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apparently there's an account of a

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healing ceremony in Madagascar which is

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something you've touched upon before in

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your novel the hippopotamus why do you

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think that pseudo scientific claims such

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as holistic healing continue to be

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popular across cultures and time despite

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the advances in medicine well um gosh

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and my interpretation is no more valid

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in anybody else's I guess I would say in

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terms of medicine people people want to

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take control of their own lives and

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ironically they seem to think they're

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taking control of their lives more by

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using so-called complementary or

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alternative medicine than by using what

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now is considered Orthodox meds and in

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other words they think it's a statement

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of originality and individuality if you

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like to us it's it seems self-evident

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the ridiculous but the claims of things

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like what do they call it and I can't

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even remember its name homeopathic

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medicine I mean really that's just so

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preposterous and yet people I know and

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respect insist on believing it and who

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knows and the powers of the path of the

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placebo are so strong that maybe it's

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wrong of us to mock wrong of us to to

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call the thing the lie because the

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moment you you say it then it it falls

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to pieces and it loses its power at the

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moment you say it's a placebo I'm a

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great believer in double-blind random

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testing which is the basis of all drug

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testing and the basis of all proper

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testing of any event of the property of

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any anything that's supposed to have an

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effect why do people still insist on

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things like holistic healing and

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whatever that have no real basis in

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evidence because they want to simple as

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that because they want it to be true if

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you're dying of cancer or you're very

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very ill and you feel there's nothing

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that can be done then naturally you'll

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cling to a straw

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myself I feel pretty dark thoughts about

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the kind of people who throws straws are

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dying drowning men and women and I'm

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sure most of us would seems to be a

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pretty lousy thing to do some people

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perhaps believe in the snake oil they

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sell or at least have allowed themselves

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to believe in it and because of course

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people I mean you know that's why James

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Randi so good because he knows what

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magicians know he knows that if you do a

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card trick on someone they will probably

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say to someone else was unbelievable I I

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thought of a card and then signed it and

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he ripped it up and it appeared in an

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envelope um and they described the

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effect that the magician wanted and they

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miss out all the steps in between that

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seemed irrelevant because the magician

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made them irrelevant so they didn't

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notice them in the same way that two

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people will swear that a clairvoyant has

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mentioned the name of their aunt and it

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just came out of nowhere and they will

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be astonished when you show them clips

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that show that 32 names were said before

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the name of there aren't none of which

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they remembered and none of which had

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any effect on them that's because it's

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what they wanted they wanted the trick

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to work they wanted to hear their aunt's

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name and so they forgot all the times it

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wasn't the aren't in the same ways

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people forget all the dreams in which

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something happens or a person appears

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that then has no relevance to their

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lives but they only remember the one

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dream out of 9,000 in which they dream

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of someone they haven't thought off for

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ages whom they see the next day well I

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would be astounded if there were no

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coincidences like that in the world and

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people say that somehow closed-minded of

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me i don't know maybe it is of course

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it's not just the pseudoscience as that

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pervade there's also a paranormal

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beliefs and here we have some audio

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footage from a 1991 television show

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called James Randi psychic investigator

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that played in the UK and you appeared

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in this with your friend who Laurie now

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it's from nearly 20 years ago and I was

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wondering if you're very surprised that

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the same beliefs exist today

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I need an insult to the human spirit

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this specious and I think

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people should be angry about it I think

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it is really good gravy I I think it's

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largely exploitive it's not perhaps as

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bad as various mediums but it it covers

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the same ground of the core bewildered

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people who are told by the astrology

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that somehow they're important in

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extraordinary because the whole universe

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was poised in a unique state just at the

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moment of their birth 20 years ago Crick

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and Watson discovered the double helix

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of this man has been going on about they

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won the Nobel Prize for it and then you

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know their forms of the basis of the

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fans of genetics Oh we'll have that too

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we'll add that into our specious semi

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pseudo-scientific drivel and I think

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people should be angry buddy nonsense am

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I surprised you wonder they're almost 20

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years later pseudo-sciences such as

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astrology many others still enjoy

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popularity no I'm not surprised I know I

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hope enough about history and human

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nature to agree that Tim there's one

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born every minute and to know that there

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is a desperation to make sense and that

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term making sense of the universe isn't

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easy and making sense of our own lives

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isn't easy and their different ways of

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doing it we can make sense of our own

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lives by observation of people and we

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can do that by reading novels and poetry

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by looking at painting listening to

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music allowing our mind to concentrate

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on the experiences we've had in the

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observations we've made about how people

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behave and then in a wider sense looking

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at the world we can try make

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observations about how animals behave

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and what they look like and why they

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look like it and we can make

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observations about why rain falls from

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the sky and why all kinds of phenomena

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occur and we can do this by observation

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and by experiment and repetition and by

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understanding essentially what we call

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the scientific method the empirical

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method more importantly or we can cheat

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we could just say old as there's an

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invisible person who makes it all happen

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or there's stars tell you or it's all

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predestined or it's something to do with

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the power of the mind which isn't the

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power of learning but is a power that's

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in born in

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in other words you can be lazy you can

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say I'm not going to bother to find out

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how numbers work or to learn by

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observation how animals work i'm just

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going to i'm just going to say it all

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it's all according to some vibration or

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some crystal awesome it's sad but people

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naturally want to cut corn as much as

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water wants to go the shortest route to

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the sea so human beings want to go the

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shortest route to the truth

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unfortunately it takes on the shortest

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route to to the great ocean of

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that lies out there and all

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those people have prepared to make money

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out of them so all the cold reading

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clairvoyance and all the all the

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nonsensical astrologers and absurd ESP

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merchants and other such people who talk

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about vibration and energy got it as a

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word that drives me mad it's people

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using energy and lazy nonsensical sense

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anyway don't get me started i know

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you're the sydney skeptics and I know

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skepticism is something you want to

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speak about but I get almost

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unreasonable and I don't want to turn

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into a shrill shall we say Richard

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Dawkins right person who slightly over

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does it and and makes people angry let's

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just say that to me the true mystery of

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the universe is something that is

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available to all not through the arcane

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rules of some nonsensical and provable

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drivel but is there with your eyes it's

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there to see by just simply recognizing

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observable laws and repeatable instances

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of things like sunsets and how they work

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and seeing what we've done on the basis

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of that understanding so every time you

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flick a light switch or turn on a GPS

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you have to realize on what that GPS is

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predicated on the science and

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observation without which the GPS

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couldn't possibly work the fact that the

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earth must be round the fact it must

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move at this beat at the fact that

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geostationary orbit means this the fact

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that triangulation means that all these

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things tell us so much about how science

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is right it's a theology that makes

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machines work but it's a theology that

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doesn't tell us how to behave and

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doesn't have the impertinence to assume

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that we are all born guilty you are also

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the host of a TV show called Qi which

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stands for quite interesting and a

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been described as a comedy panel quiz

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and yet it could also be very well be

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called a show that questions a logical

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thinking and odd beliefs do you consider

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comedy to be a way in for people to

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challenge irrational thinking well I

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think there's an element to that him as

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much as comedies always about the real

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you know philosophers or religionists

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will make abstract statements and a

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comedian say well is that true on a

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Wednesday you know comedians want an

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example a cut-and-dried example of the

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fact of the world because comedy is

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about observation nine times out of ten

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as his science it's about repeatable

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patterns it's about testing some

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statement that is made a preposterous

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statement I remembered GK Chesterton who

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was essentially a comic writer he said

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he wrote an essay once way he said um I

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was called on feminism or something and

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00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:30,049
it was in the early days of feminism

543
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,129
very early 20th century he said I read I

544
00:21:39,639 --> 00:21:36,559
read this sentence it says at the

545
00:21:41,999 --> 00:21:39,649
trumpet call of Absalom Shore modern

546
00:21:44,049 --> 00:21:42,009
woman rises to take her place in society

547
00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:44,059
and I think to myself well that's a

548
00:21:48,249 --> 00:21:45,710
marvelous claim and I hope it's true

549
00:21:51,609 --> 00:21:48,259
who'd let me try and think of a modern

550
00:21:54,669 --> 00:21:51,619
woman oh well as mrs. mrs. way beloved

551
00:21:57,070 --> 00:21:54,679
who who scrubs my floors on Mondays

552
00:22:00,190 --> 00:21:57,080
Wednesdays and Fridays she lives in

553
00:22:01,899 --> 00:22:00,200
Clapham and she's a modern woman she has

554
00:22:04,509 --> 00:22:01,909
seven children and she works very hard

555
00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:04,519
scrubbing floors and if I say at the

556
00:22:09,399 --> 00:22:06,440
trumpet call of insulin sure mrs. way

557
00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:09,409
but huffed rises to take her place in

558
00:22:12,369 --> 00:22:10,940
society i realized the statement is not

559
00:22:15,539 --> 00:22:12,379
only nonsense it's pernicious nonsense

560
00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:15,549
and that's the point statements made of

561
00:22:20,139 --> 00:22:18,529
grandeur and abstract truth are always

562
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:20,149
tested by comedian so in that sense

563
00:22:24,460 --> 00:22:22,609
comedy is a very good way yes to get the

564
00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:24,470
credulous on side if you like because it

565
00:22:28,899 --> 00:22:26,389
says is that really true is it true

566
00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:28,909
let's see finally your love of

567
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:30,769
technology is well known you've written

568
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,450
for many years on technology in a

569
00:22:36,489 --> 00:22:34,159
variety of publications so you have a

570
00:22:38,590 --> 00:22:36,499
very popular podcast called pod grams

571
00:22:40,869 --> 00:22:38,600
that's available on your website and on

572
00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:40,879
iTunes now recently you've embraced

573
00:22:44,590 --> 00:22:42,470
twittering and written about the

574
00:22:46,509 --> 00:22:44,600
experience and have even been the focus

575
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:46,519
of media attention because of it do you

576
00:22:49,420 --> 00:22:47,810
think that your love of tech

577
00:22:51,610 --> 00:22:49,430
nology is an important part of you

578
00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:51,620
appeal to your audience and what do you

579
00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:53,480
hope for technological advances in the

580
00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:56,360
future yes I think my audience I think

581
00:23:00,820 --> 00:22:58,130
my audience does share my interest in

582
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:00,830
technology i'm at least those that don't

583
00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:02,330
have stopped being my audience that's

584
00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:05,020
the way audiences work really isn't it

585
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:07,640
what do I hope for technological

586
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,770
advances in the future well is what one

587
00:23:14,530 --> 00:23:11,600
hopes for and what happens of course

588
00:23:16,660 --> 00:23:14,540
like everyone else I hope for 3d

589
00:23:18,130 --> 00:23:16,670
television and fantastic robots I can

590
00:23:20,590 --> 00:23:18,140
have sex with that then turn into

591
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:20,600
marvelous things clean my room you know

592
00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:23,690
I mean I'm a human being naturally I

593
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:26,870
want I want slavish there once slavish

594
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:29,510
satisfaction I want I want joy and

595
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:31,220
pleasure to be brought to be my machines

596
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:33,770
but I also i also love connection the

597
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:36,650
connections it makes with others yes I

598
00:23:40,690 --> 00:23:38,810
think I'm worried like everybody else

599
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:40,700
with threats to privacy I'm worried

600
00:23:44,740 --> 00:23:42,950
about the fact one day the machine may

601
00:23:45,790 --> 00:23:44,750
stop and we're also dependent on it that

602
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,800
we won't know what to do with ourselves

603
00:23:51,130 --> 00:23:47,600
that we literally will find our lives

604
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,140
turned all about and we will not really

605
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:54,320
know how to cope so my hope for

606
00:24:01,480 --> 00:23:56,330
technology is that it will continue to

607
00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:01,490
be free and open and that it will be

608
00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:03,350
predominated as it is at the moment not

609
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,420
by business not by political interest

610
00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:07,760
not by religious fundamentalists and

611
00:24:12,460 --> 00:24:10,370
maniacs but by the general some of

612
00:24:14,890 --> 00:24:12,470
humanity that I take in my foolishness

613
00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:14,900
to be good and enlightened for the most

614
00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:17,870
part I know there are so many millions

615
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:20,060
who aren't but for the moment that is

616
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:21,710
one of the pleasures internet or at

617
00:24:25,450 --> 00:24:23,090
least the internet I see I know there

618
00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:25,460
are dark and hideous slimy corners of it

619
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:28,340
but once able to avoid them I'm always

620
00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:30,050
saying that the Internet's like a city

621
00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:32,420
in a great city of course as its lumps

622
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:34,670
and it's red light districts and it's we

623
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:38,450
had temples and strange churches but it

624
00:24:43,930 --> 00:24:41,350
also has such grand cultural palaces and

625
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:43,940
such remarkable museums and libraries

626
00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:47,450
and places of entertainment and shops

627
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,780
and stores and exciting parks thank you

628
00:24:55,210 --> 00:24:52,640
very much Steven for talking to us here

629
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:55,220
on the skeptics on podcast if you would

630
00:24:59,230 --> 00:24:56,720
like to learn more about the further

631
00:25:01,940 --> 00:24:59,240
adventures of Stephen Fry you can head

632
00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:01,950
to his official site at ww

633
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:05,220
Stephen Fry calm and you can always find

634
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:10,740
him on twitter at wwe.com ford / Stephen

635
00:25:27,889 --> 00:25:24,840
Fry you're listening to the skeptic zone

636
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,899
I'm Brian Dunning from sceptile calm

637
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:30,480
when I'm not tuned into the skeptic zone

638
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:33,090
I'm recording thus kept I'd podcast

639
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:35,669
doing what I can to further knowledge by

640
00:25:39,980 --> 00:25:37,490
blasting away the widespread

641
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:39,990
pseudo-sciences that infect popular

642
00:25:44,899 --> 00:25:42,779
culture I've also compiled a 40 minute

643
00:25:48,139 --> 00:25:44,909
educational video on critical thinking

644
00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:48,149
called here be dragons at here be

645
00:25:54,889 --> 00:25:51,870
dragons movie.com I hope you check those

646
00:26:02,360 --> 00:25:54,899
out and I hope you enjoy the skeptic

647
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:02,370
zone hello dr. Aichi now it's time for

648
00:26:09,690 --> 00:26:05,010
dr. Richie reports with dr. Rachel

649
00:26:16,150 --> 00:26:12,400
hello everyone and welcome to dr. Reggie

650
00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:16,160
reports on Sunday evening in Australia

651
00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:18,470
the channel 7 show sunday night aired a

652
00:26:21,910 --> 00:26:19,790
story about the tragic death of

653
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:21,920
four-week-old dynamic a free from

654
00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:24,860
whooping cough Dana was too young to be

655
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:26,660
vaccinated but lived in an area where

656
00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:28,760
levels of vaccinations are low hence

657
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:32,150
herd immunity is compromised Dana likely

658
00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:33,860
contracted the illness because other

659
00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:36,670
people in the area were not vaccinated

660
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:38,990
the report on channel 7 was

661
00:26:42,370 --> 00:26:40,730
overwhelmingly science-based and

662
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:42,380
accurate with respect to the

663
00:26:48,790 --> 00:26:44,510
consequences of not vaccinating your

664
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kids in a sadly rare case of responsible

665
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,500
scientific journalism the facts such as

666
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:53,360
a whooping cough epidemic in New South

667
00:26:57,490 --> 00:26:55,910
Wales the rise of measles and the

668
00:27:01,240 --> 00:26:57,500
irresponsible behavior of the

669
00:27:04,780 --> 00:27:01,250
anti-vaccine and the story was

670
00:27:07,150 --> 00:27:04,790
heartbreaking the response following the

671
00:27:10,150 --> 00:27:07,160
report going to air was both positive

672
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:10,160
and negative but overwhelming the

673
00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:12,170
anti-vaccine mobilized to flood the

674
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:14,180
station with complaints about one-sided

675
00:27:19,140 --> 00:27:16,010
journalism propaganda from Big Pharma

676
00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:19,150
and demands for them to have their say

677
00:27:23,980 --> 00:27:21,860
this has resulted in a forum for this

678
00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:23,990
week's show where anti-vaxxers and

679
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:25,640
supporters of science will have an

680
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:27,230
opportunity to address a panel of

681
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:30,710
experts today I speak with the producer

682
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:33,050
of the story Rebecca Latour know about

683
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:35,240
the response and why she made a decision

684
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,700
to take a science-based approach when

685
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:39,200
many would succumb to the pressures of

686
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:43,250
the anti-vaccine hello Rebecca welcome

687
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:45,410
to the skeptic sign hello night be with

688
00:27:50,110 --> 00:27:47,990
you now firstly let me congratulate you

689
00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:50,120
on a well-researched and scientifically

690
00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:51,950
accurate report on the dangers of not

691
00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:54,620
vaccinating children thank you very much

692
00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:56,180
for that we really set out to try and

693
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,230
give people the best possible

694
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:59,360
information available it's a confusing

695
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:01,130
landscape out there especially for new

696
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:03,110
parents and we just wanted to give them

697
00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:06,140
the actual factors collector well

698
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:08,510
there's been such a massive response to

699
00:28:12,580 --> 00:28:11,000
your story and can you tell us how

700
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:12,590
significant it's been and what kind of

701
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:15,170
feedback you've been getting it's been

702
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:16,970
enormously significant from what we can

703
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:19,250
see I think um I have to at this point

704
00:28:22,999 --> 00:28:20,820
direct my head off

705
00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:23,009
and and thank enormously Tony and David

706
00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:24,899
McCaffrey who incredibly bravely at a

707
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:26,460
time when they were in extreme grief

708
00:28:30,499 --> 00:28:28,950
agreed to speak with us on national

709
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:30,509
television and gave us so much at their

710
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:32,730
time to help people understand what is

711
00:28:36,620 --> 00:28:34,860
the emotional side of this and that is

712
00:28:39,139 --> 00:28:36,630
the tragic loss of a child to a

713
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:39,149
preventable disease so that's the first

714
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,529
thing I think um when you're trying to

715
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:42,240
get up to a mass audience important

716
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,130
scientific and factual information it

717
00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:46,380
helps if you can you know show them

718
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:48,990
where that fits in life and people's

719
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,330
life experience so that was incredibly

720
00:28:57,619 --> 00:28:54,600
useful for us and of course then

721
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,629
Professor Peter McIntyre from the center

722
00:29:02,240 --> 00:28:59,340
for immunization research and

723
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:02,250
surveillance who has studied and been

724
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,929
involved with and saturated in this

725
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:06,480
issue so many many years was enormously

726
00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:09,090
helpful in giving us the correct figures

727
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,769
in the correct situation around the

728
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,159
world and then of course dr. Chris Engel

729
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:16,679
who is the pediatrician who's worked for

730
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:19,470
20 years on the north coast of far north

731
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:21,690
coast and has been submerged in this

732
00:29:26,419 --> 00:29:24,210
some horrific decline in vaccination

733
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,429
levels and is absolutely tearing his

734
00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:28,799
hair out so between the three of those

735
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:30,539
four before including you know David

736
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:33,090
Tony we were able to put together

737
00:29:36,379 --> 00:29:34,860
something that was not only digestible

738
00:29:38,930 --> 00:29:36,389
for a mass audience but full of the

739
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,940
rightfax there was a very very large

740
00:29:42,740 --> 00:29:40,559
response from people who were grateful

741
00:29:44,419 --> 00:29:42,750
for two reasons firstly because they

742
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,429
were probe explanation or they were in

743
00:29:49,009 --> 00:29:46,559
the medical or scientific community and

744
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,019
secondly parents who were just genuinely

745
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,539
confused and being new parents being

746
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:54,600
sleep-deprived being are uninformed were

747
00:29:58,399 --> 00:29:56,490
genuinely confused and concerned and

748
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:58,409
bass active and I thought that actually

749
00:30:02,720 --> 00:29:59,820
made an enormous difference for the

750
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:02,730
story mm-hmm well I assume at the debate

751
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:04,289
which is going to be screened at this

752
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:06,990
Sunday and Rebecca is a direct result of

753
00:30:10,639 --> 00:30:08,850
this but I understand you made a

754
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,649
decision to only include people on the

755
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:12,960
expert panel who had a scientific or

756
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,490
medical background and can you tell us

757
00:30:20,899 --> 00:30:17,340
why you made this decision well I think

758
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:20,909
it stands out that the way we need to

759
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:23,129
approach this is looking at the figures

760
00:30:28,249 --> 00:30:25,710
and the facts that show us that

761
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:28,259
vaccinations on a mass scale with herd

762
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:31,460
immunity sustained can eradicate

763
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completely eradicate for example in

764
00:30:37,399 --> 00:30:33,929
terms

765
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:37,409
smallpox a preventable disease and lower

766
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:39,210
the districts and lower the rates of

767
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,100
misery and suffering that people go

768
00:30:45,769 --> 00:30:44,039
through to an enormous degree these are

769
00:30:47,749 --> 00:30:45,779
epidemics groups could rear their heads

770
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:47,759
again flipping cough and measles has

771
00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:50,190
polio could be next in for God's sake

772
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:51,990
for us to go back to the days of polio

773
00:30:56,629 --> 00:30:53,850
would be the greatest travesty and

774
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:56,639
health ever Dana's parents Tony and

775
00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:58,289
David will be in the audience I wonder

776
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,490
how that's going to play out and it's

777
00:31:03,859 --> 00:31:01,320
obviously very brave of them to to be

778
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,869
able to do that it is incredibly brave

779
00:31:07,639 --> 00:31:05,460
and they spent several days thinking

780
00:31:09,499 --> 00:31:07,649
about it and I was happy to give that to

781
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:09,509
them they are the bravest people I've

782
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,490
met in a very long time because they're

783
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:13,320
little baby only died just over six

784
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,570
weeks ago now so they're an incredible

785
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:18,240
grief and they are most concerned that

786
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:20,970
Tony was in a hospital in a region where

787
00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:23,190
there was a whooping cough epidemic now

788
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,409
these are intelligent educated people I

789
00:31:29,389 --> 00:31:27,360
mean she was doing everything up to the

790
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:29,399
tiniest you know taking salt lake for

791
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,539
example one of something that many

792
00:31:34,639 --> 00:31:32,279
pregnant women never bothered to do so

793
00:31:36,919 --> 00:31:34,649
doing all of the right things she at no

794
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:36,929
stage was informed that there was a

795
00:31:41,749 --> 00:31:39,419
whooping cough epidemic she was not told

796
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:41,759
to be screened for self or her husband

797
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:43,470
or anybody that came in touch with the

798
00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:46,169
new baby they did not know about the

799
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:47,190
fact that you're supposed to have a

800
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:48,659
whooping cough booster every 10 years

801
00:31:54,619 --> 00:31:51,480
tonight up they had absolutely no idea

802
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,629
and no warning at all and that's another

803
00:32:00,100 --> 00:31:56,159
important message that they want to get

804
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:00,110
out we need a coordinated and and fierce

805
00:32:04,609 --> 00:32:02,490
federal attempts to make sure that

806
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,619
people are informed about these diseases

807
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:06,059
and what they can do to protect

808
00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:07,710
themselves and their children dynamic a

809
00:32:12,919 --> 00:32:10,950
free did not need to die if Tony had

810
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:12,929
been better informed if the community

811
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:14,730
had been better informed that little

812
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:17,220
baby would be alive today well Rebecca

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the international response to your story

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has been overwhelmingly positive the

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scientific and medical community are

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right behind you we have to say we were

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all der I know this when we sat down in

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front of our televisions on Sunday we

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had our blogs poised and our VCRs ready

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but we were absolutely thrilled that

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your report was so well based in science

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and so well presented so thank you thank

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you very much Rachel and thanks to

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everybody who responded it is important

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i mean destination is a victim of its

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own success in many ways when

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happens then it succeeded and nobody

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really gets involved so for everybody

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and to everybody that did respond thank

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you so much it makes it so worthwhile

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for us and it just means that the the

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right messages are out there in quantity

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and that's most important thank you very

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much we will be continuing to do this

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sort of work thank you very much Rebecca

836
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and thank you for taking the time to

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talk to us today my quick direction

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myself and Richard Saunders will be in

839
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the audience for the Sunday forum asking

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questions of the panel Australians can

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watch Channel seven sunday night at

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six-thirty p.m. eastern standard time

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this sunday hosted by mike monroe and

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00:33:29,019 --> 00:33:27,139
chris bath there are parts of this

845
00:33:31,089 --> 00:33:29,029
interview I couldn't play to you today

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00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:31,099
for reasons I will explain next week

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00:33:36,129 --> 00:33:33,320
tune in next time to hear the full

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00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:36,139
unedited version and until next time

849
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:52,250
you're listening to the skeptics own

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podcast if you wish to support our

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volunteer run show donate via paypal at

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donation goes straight into maintaining

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and improving the show thanks for

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00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,659
helping out the skeptics I oh here we

857
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:18,480
are at the Maritime Museum here in

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00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:20,129
Sydney and work with Charles Darwin

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00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:22,230
exhibition yes we are Richard this is

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the exhibition set up for down's 200th

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00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,790
birthday which was last year yes and

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from walk down there Oh sounds of the

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or is that those ship not sure sounds

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00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:42,520
like George her absent personation of

865
00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:46,450
the Galapagos blue footed boobies did

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00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:49,060
you know I dragged my almost hit I must

867
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:51,849
hear it I was sure it was a great

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00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:53,649
impersonation of blue footed boobies

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00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,760
dating yes and I'm sure it it sounds

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00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,680
stranger on the just when you can hear

871
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:01,119
the audio when you don't see the actual

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00:35:07,530 --> 00:35:05,290
footage it's very hard usual so I

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00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:07,540
walking down this little path way now

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00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:10,030
and it's sort of big exit oh you can see

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00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:12,609
oh I so he has gone yeah there is a part

876
00:35:17,069 --> 00:35:15,400
there's a huge Galapagos I map upside

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00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:17,079
down map of the world showing where

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00:35:23,180 --> 00:35:20,200
Darwin went so he came to New Zealand

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00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:23,190
Sydney I know he traipse around a bit

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00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:27,280
then he went to Hobart and King George

881
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:28,780
sounds someone named is the maestro

882
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:31,570
bernie perhaps hello and then he

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00:35:40,530 --> 00:35:37,480
continued on what a trip so he didn't

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00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:40,540
Steve Roberts is with us and g'day Steve

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00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:42,640
enjoying the exhibition yeah there's no

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mention of Melbourne it well he wasn't

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00:35:50,010 --> 00:35:46,810
there no one was aware our melbourne

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00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:50,020
wasn't there or I just things and so we

889
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:51,490
walked down along the map here which

890
00:35:59,550 --> 00:35:54,700
goes for quite a long way he visited

891
00:36:01,650 --> 00:35:59,560
Cape Town South Africa ah story that was

892
00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:01,660
like a sailing ship this is quite a

893
00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:04,420
quite a nice move easily now we've come

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00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:05,950
across a little display here which is a

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00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,030
recreation of Charles Darwin's having

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cabin little cabin on the Beagle it's

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00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,950
quite interesting as a little table big

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00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:16,480
enough for two people sit out with some

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00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:18,849
scientific looking equipment on top of

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00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:21,010
it the room is only a couple of metres

901
00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:23,410
long and very short as much shorter than

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00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:25,480
I am so it's a lot about 5 foot 5 tall

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00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:27,700
something like that

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00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:31,210
a problem Richard because Darwin was 1.8

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00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,220
meters tall he's a tall man oh yeah he

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00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,440
says there and there's a hammock strung

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across the room right above the back of

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00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:39,940
the table sort of latch to a shelf at

909
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:41,710
one side and a bookshelf on the other

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00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:43,930
and if we press this little button we

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00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:46,500
can hear Charles Darwin's thoughts about

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00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:52,630
his room his cabin beagle devonport

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00:36:58,890 --> 00:36:56,170
December the 4th 1831 I'm writing this

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00:37:00,780 --> 00:36:58,900
for the first time on board it is now

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00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:00,790
about one o'clock and i intend sleeping

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00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,160
in my hammock but it's our last night

917
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:04,960
but experienced a most ludicrous

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00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:07,750
difficulty in getting into it my great

919
00:37:12,089 --> 00:37:09,640
fault of jockey ship was in trying to

920
00:37:13,890 --> 00:37:12,099
put my legs in first the hammock being

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00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:13,900
suspended I've us only succeeded in

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00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,849
pushing it away without making any

923
00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:18,640
progress in inserting my own body the

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00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,380
correct method is to sit accurately in

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00:37:24,569 --> 00:37:22,240
the center of the bed then give yourself

926
00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:24,579
a dexterous twist and your head and feet

927
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,339
come into their respective places after

928
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:29,440
a little time I daresay I shall like

929
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,380
others find it very comfortable I have

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00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:34,000
spent the day partly on board and party

931
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:36,220
with my brother in the evening captain

932
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:38,650
King and some stokes my brother and

933
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:41,650
myself dined with Captain Fitzroy in the

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00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:43,240
morning the ship rolled a good deal but

935
00:37:48,059 --> 00:37:45,910
I did not feel uncomfortable this gives

936
00:37:50,099 --> 00:37:48,069
me great hopes of escaping seasickness I

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00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:50,109
find others trust in the same week

938
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:53,530
support may we not be confounded it is

939
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:55,060
very pleasant talking with officer and

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00:37:59,579 --> 00:37:57,310
watch at night everything is so quiet

941
00:38:02,010 --> 00:37:59,589
and still nothing interrupts the silence

942
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,020
but the half hour bells I will go now

943
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:04,960
and wish Stuart the officer on duty a

944
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:07,300
good night and then for practicing my

945
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:13,240
skill in voltage into my hammock not a

946
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:14,770
bad exhibition and good to see that

947
00:38:18,270 --> 00:38:16,030
they've got here at the Maritime Museum

948
00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:18,280
in Sydney and i think is on for a couple

949
00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:20,980
more weeks or months I'm not sorry

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00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:23,560
anyway it's free it's just near darling

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00:38:29,370 --> 00:38:25,630
harbour so we can recommend people come

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00:38:43,690 --> 00:38:29,380
to visit now if we keep looking we might

953
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:46,660
hello Richard Saunders here you may wish

954
00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:49,910
to edit out the following statement and

955
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:52,849
use it in your own podcast or you can go

956
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,369
to the website of the skeptic zone or

957
00:39:01,000 --> 00:38:57,920
the young Australian skeptics or even

958
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:01,010
fill plates bad astronomy and download

959
00:39:06,490 --> 00:39:03,650
and print out the poster which says the

960
00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:06,500
same thing this is a statement about

961
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:12,740
swine flu and homeopathy swine flu scam

962
00:39:20,410 --> 00:39:15,890
alert with the growing worldwide threat

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00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:20,420
of swine flu or the h1n1 virus the

964
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,670
public is alerted to various fake or

965
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:25,359
scam products purporting to be either

966
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:28,130
treatments or preventatives for this

967
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:31,190
deadly disease these fake treatments go

968
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:33,170
under the banner of homeopathic

969
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:36,170
medicines there is no effective

970
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:38,690
homeopathic treatment or preventative

971
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:42,190
for swine flu or any other flu strain

972
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:44,570
homeopathic treatments are nothing more

973
00:39:50,829 --> 00:39:47,390
than sugar pills or water and are in

974
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:50,839
fact the same as placebos fake medicine

975
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:53,890
used in medical research they contain

976
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,050
nothing do not get conned by anyone

977
00:40:02,829 --> 00:39:59,599
selling homeopathic treatment for swine

978
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:02,839
flu meningococcal meningitis or any

979
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:04,760
other serious or life-threatening

980
00:40:11,050 --> 00:40:07,670
disease these people are putting you and

981
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:11,060
your family's health at great risk you

982
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,890
are encouraged to report any such

983
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,200
scammers to your governments Health

984
00:40:20,670 --> 00:40:18,079
Department if you are concerned about

985
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:20,680
swine flu seek the advice of a qualified

986
00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:24,560
medical doctor this message has been

987
00:40:29,770 --> 00:40:26,869
brought to you by the skeptic zone

988
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:29,780
podcast and the young Australian

989
00:40:59,880 --> 00:40:51,400
you

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00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:01,980
I was incredibly fortunate to attend the

991
00:41:06,269 --> 00:41:03,730
world premiere of the new Star Trek film

992
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:06,279
at the Sydney Opera House director JJ

993
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,140
Abrams well known for being the creator

994
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,240
of lost an alias was in attendance with

995
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,640
most of the leading cast as a longtime

996
00:41:16,259 --> 00:41:14,079
tricky when I heard about the

997
00:41:18,690 --> 00:41:16,269
development of this film I was excited

998
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:18,700
but also very wary would it live up to

999
00:41:23,819 --> 00:41:21,430
expectations I'm happy to report the

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00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:23,829
film as a triumph many film critics

1001
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:25,720
thought the star trek franchise was dead

1002
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:27,430
after Star Trek nemesis tanked at the

1003
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:31,000
box office in 2002 however JJ Abrams has

1004
00:41:35,279 --> 00:41:32,760
given the franchise a new lease of life

1005
00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:35,289
the new Star Trek feature is fast-paced

1006
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full of action and has some delightfully

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00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:39,640
cheeky humor the special effects are

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00:41:44,279 --> 00:41:41,670
excellent and the performances are great

1009
00:41:46,019 --> 00:41:44,289
Chris Pine is remarkably good as Kirk

1010
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:46,029
and Zachary Quinto fits the role of

1011
00:41:56,859 --> 00:41:55,060
who are you come with me we are

1012
00:41:58,510 --> 00:41:56,869
traveling at warp speed how did you

1013
00:41:59,920 --> 00:41:58,520
manage to beam aboard this ship you're

1014
00:42:01,450 --> 00:41:59,930
the genius you figure it as acting

1015
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:01,460
captain of this vessel i order you to

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00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:03,650
answer the question well I'm not telling

1017
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:08,150
acting captain what but now that doesn't

1018
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:09,410
frustrate he doesn't my lack of

1019
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:11,750
cooperation that that doesn't make you

1020
00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:13,540
angry are you a member of Starfleet I

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00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:16,520
yes I got towel under penalty of court

1022
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:18,020
Marshall i order you to explain to me

1023
00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:19,130
how you were able to beam aboard the

1024
00:42:24,579 --> 00:42:21,020
ship while moving at war well it's not

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00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:24,589
answer you will answer me how urban is

1026
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:27,109
impressive as dr. McCoy and Eric Barner

1027
00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:29,230
is energetic is the nasty villain Nero

1028
00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:31,880
Simon Pegg is slightly under utilized to

1029
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,280
Scotty but steals every scene he is in

1030
00:42:40,030 --> 00:42:37,040
this film will appeal to old fans and

1031
00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:40,040
create a legion of new ones as well it's

1032
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:41,420
great to see this classic sci-fi

1033
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:44,900
franchise reborn and boldly go where no

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00:42:56,510 --> 00:43:12,210
you

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00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:15,099
hi I'm Jason and I'm Andrew from the

1036
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:16,670
nonsense podcast bringing you a

1037
00:43:21,249 --> 00:43:19,460
skeptical overview of news religion and

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00:43:23,049 --> 00:43:21,259
all forms of pseudoscience we're

1039
00:43:24,609 --> 00:43:23,059
defending science and reason against the

1040
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:24,619
onslaught of medical and spiritual

1041
00:43:28,479 --> 00:43:26,450
nonsense all week we are busy

1042
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:28,489
researching and debunking pseudoscience

1043
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:31,190
but on the seventh day we listened to

1044
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the skeptic zone check us out at

1045
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nonsense podcast libsyn com or search

1046
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well i'm here outside the downing centre

1047
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:48,770
which is a very large law courts here in

1048
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:50,570
sydney and our good friend Ian Bryce is

1049
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:54,500
about to appear to defend his popemobile

1050
00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:56,450
you may have heard about he had a fake

1051
00:44:01,329 --> 00:43:58,099
popemobile and the Pope was here and the

1052
00:44:03,339 --> 00:44:01,339
police had him on a charge of having a

1053
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:03,349
roof ornament likely to cause

1054
00:44:08,859 --> 00:44:06,020
distraction sir Ian's come here to

1055
00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:08,869
defend this and he's brought some play

1056
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:11,060
cards with him and the media have

1057
00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:14,150
pounced he is absolutely covered with

1058
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:16,940
cameras and microphones and all the

1059
00:44:22,089 --> 00:44:18,680
media here he's getting a lot of

1060
00:44:23,859 --> 00:44:22,099
coverage and he's got some friends

1061
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:23,869
here's from the skeptics and other

1062
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:27,830
people here to support him

1063
00:44:32,830 --> 00:44:30,140
and now they're just marching off to go

1064
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:32,840
and get some more coverage in fact the

1065
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film crews are going to film them

1066
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:42,359
ok now

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ians now being interviewed by the nine

1068
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,299
network for their nightly news program

1069
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:50,240
might imagine quite quite amazing quite

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00:44:59,760 --> 00:44:57,630
I'm next to another chapter yeah i'm

1071
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marcio everywhere John sweetman and

1072
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:01,990
steve roberts here who are helping in

1073
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doesn't extrordinary outcome well as

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00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:07,150
what we do you know we've got a protest

1075
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:08,920
about having the freedom to have a roof

1076
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or depicting the Pope yeah it's quite a

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really class charge really I mean they

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must have really spread the bottom of

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00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:16,780
the barrel to come up with yeah under a

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00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:18,820
violation of free speech I think so but

1081
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:20,290
this is extraordinary all the camera

1082
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:21,970
crews would counsel absolutely i mean

1083
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:24,370
it's a huge media scrum yeah i mean i

1084
00:45:27,390 --> 00:45:25,780
hope we get through that on the news

1085
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:27,400
they might bump it for swine flu or

1086
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:29,320
something well nobody else while filming

1087
00:45:33,180 --> 00:45:31,810
this morning they're all waiting for

1088
00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:33,190
somebody else who probably didn't arrive

1089
00:45:36,690 --> 00:45:35,020
you know for those of eq people went in

1090
00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:36,700
behind our backs hear the laugh here

1091
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,590
with the police and God better already

1092
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,720
and I'm film better because I it's a

1093
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:42,880
plot I tell you it we're pawns in a game

1094
00:45:48,810 --> 00:45:47,170
now I'm actually managed to corner Ian

1095
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:48,820
Bryce and got him away from the rest of

1096
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:50,230
the media and that was a very successful

1097
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:53,530
little learn campaign right now yes we

1098
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:55,330
tried to make our point to protect free

1099
00:45:59,550 --> 00:45:57,730
speech and to make sure that the police

1100
00:46:01,050 --> 00:45:59,560
don't misuse their powers that's very

1101
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:01,060
good and I noticed that most of the

1102
00:46:05,019 --> 00:46:03,070
media here we're talking to you and

1103
00:46:07,659 --> 00:46:05,029
filming you and interviewing you

1104
00:46:10,749 --> 00:46:07,669
yes that's good to see ya yes this is

1105
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:10,759
the fourth court appearance we've had in

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00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:11,900
the other court appearance as we were

1107
00:46:15,069 --> 00:46:13,880
trying to get information on the charges

1108
00:46:16,949 --> 00:46:15,079
from the police but they haven't

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00:46:19,390 --> 00:46:16,959
provided anything so finally the

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00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:19,400
Registrar said last time that we have to

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00:46:22,779 --> 00:46:20,900
go ahead anyway since it's coming to a

1112
00:46:24,279 --> 00:46:22,789
hearing today so now I guess we all

1113
00:46:30,189 --> 00:46:24,289
should march up to the court and see

1114
00:46:32,589 --> 00:46:30,199
what happened yes indeed okay okay it's

1115
00:46:36,789 --> 00:46:32,599
all over the police withdrew their case

1116
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:36,799
and we're looking for the media and now

1117
00:46:41,049 --> 00:46:38,329
mr. Bryce at last I can interview you

1118
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:41,059
well done a victory thanks Richard yes

1119
00:46:45,429 --> 00:46:43,369
that was a great success for free speech

1120
00:46:47,499 --> 00:46:45,439
and civil liberties I believe yeah so

1121
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:47,509
basically the police just withdrew the

1122
00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:49,400
case in the end yes indeed after they

1123
00:46:52,509 --> 00:46:51,109
realized that they were up against the

1124
00:46:53,769 --> 00:46:52,519
council for civil liberties and it's

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00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:53,779
their job to protect civil liberties

1126
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,569
only South Wales I think they pointed

1127
00:47:00,219 --> 00:46:58,400
out to them that they're the original

1128
00:47:02,259 --> 00:47:00,229
charge which was having a requirement

1129
00:47:03,969 --> 00:47:02,269
likely to distract their isn't in fact

1130
00:47:05,949 --> 00:47:03,979
no such statute or regulation or

1131
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:05,959
anything that was just made up yeah so

1132
00:47:11,739 --> 00:47:09,380
the police change changed it to causing

1133
00:47:15,579 --> 00:47:11,749
an unreasonable annoyance to persons

1134
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:15,589
which is in fact cause 22 of the

1135
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:20,570
regulations so however the

1136
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,160
my representation I've always pointed

1137
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:25,500
out that in fact they can't change the

1138
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:27,750
charge nine months after the events on

1139
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:29,730
the way into court is expected to stand

1140
00:47:36,830 --> 00:47:34,050
up so your website again is WWE World

1141
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:36,840
truth day org Thank You Ian thanks

1142
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:41,310
Richard hello this is James Randi if you

1143
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:43,770
haven't guessed already I'm very pleased

1144
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:45,510
to announce that registration is now

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officially open for the amazing meeting

1146
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00:47:57,590 --> 00:47:55,410
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point casino hotel and spa in Las Vegas

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00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,540
Nevada this is a change in venue that

1152
00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:05,400
will better accommodate the size of

1153
00:48:11,330 --> 00:48:08,700
crowd we got last year just short of 900

1154
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00:48:16,970 --> 00:48:14,100
ethnicity homelands and degrees of

1156
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:16,980
enthusiasm this July our speakers will

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00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:19,260
include the ubiquitous Michael Shermer

1158
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from the skeptics society our good

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00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,970
friend Adam Savage of the Mythbusters

1160
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:26,400
are a president Phil Plait from the bad

1161
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:28,830
astronomy blog of course jennifer

1162
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,210
ouellette from the science and

1163
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:32,880
entertainment exchange and the Penn &

1164
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:36,450
Teller duel and of course voix our

1165
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:38,220
keynote speaker this year will be Bill

1166
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:40,500
Prady executive producer of the hit

1167
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:43,530
television show the big bang theory and

1168
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:45,420
he'll tell us about how he's helped make

1169
00:48:51,710 --> 00:48:48,150
it cool to be an accredited official

1170
00:48:54,290 --> 00:48:51,720
nerd we'll also have our usual stellar

1171
00:48:56,570 --> 00:48:54,300
panels workshops at after-hours

1172
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:56,580
entertainment including a mentalism act

1173
00:49:03,380 --> 00:48:59,700
by a well-known bearded and cranky

1174
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,390
skeptic you may know and love he'll be

1175
00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:05,040
offering his audience a couple of

1176
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:07,350
brand-new mental wonders that have not

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00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:09,570
been shown before even to the magicians

1178
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:12,780
of the world those who attend tam 7 will

1179
00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:15,210
also witness an actual real time test

1180
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for our world-famous challenge prize an

1181
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1182
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to the awarding of the million-dollar

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prize this is just not to be missed for

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00:49:42,229 --> 00:49:38,900
information on this amazing event as

1189
00:49:44,539 --> 00:49:42,239
always this is james randi still amazing

1190
00:49:50,509 --> 00:49:44,549
and i hope to see you there in Las Vegas

1191
00:49:53,539 --> 00:49:50,519
at the amazing meeting seven join us now

1192
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:53,549
for drinking skeptically in the think

1193
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:02,300
and welcome to a think tank it's a great

1194
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,530
day it's a huge thing game tonight first

1195
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:06,960
of all dr. Rachel dr. Reggie what a

1196
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:08,910
great interview and Stephen Fry we had

1197
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:10,500
earlier it wasn't that fantastic isn't

1198
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,860
he wonderful riches and folks he is such

1199
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:16,740
a a genuinely nice guy you really is

1200
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:18,810
he's very very generous with his time

1201
00:50:28,220 --> 00:50:24,390
and with his time ya know where was we

1202
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:28,230
were so so happy to get to you by and he

1203
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:30,870
was so generous to talk to us and what a

1204
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:32,700
wonderful wonderful man Thank You

1205
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:34,530
Stephen Fry thank you very much indeed

1206
00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:37,950
and as I said before what I think tank

1207
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:40,080
we have tonight I mean our table is full

1208
00:50:44,570 --> 00:50:42,510
it is how tables full and got three new

1209
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:44,580
people in fact what I'll do is I'll get

1210
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,170
everybody to introduce themselves just

1211
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,140
quickly starting with what yes look

1212
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:51,420
you've been on the show briefly before

1213
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,090
i'm a nerd it yet months ago when i was

1214
00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:56,940
at the festival in Newtown and you

1215
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:58,440
worked the Atheist stand and there was a

1216
00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:01,440
bell will ring the bell what was I arms

1217
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:08,940
I remember is too busy handing out toy

1218
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:11,220
if I think a little kid now what can you

1219
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:13,250
tell our audience about yourself lately

1220
00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:15,810
I've done a bit of science I've done a

1221
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:17,700
bit of Nursing I now do a bit in real

1222
00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:21,210
estate I know a bit of everything and

1223
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:23,880
I've just got back from Hawaii lucky you

1224
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,250
lucky for ya thank you for joining us

1225
00:51:33,069 --> 00:51:28,000
thanks for what

1226
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:33,079
I'm am yes and I do the diffusion

1227
00:51:39,609 --> 00:51:35,210
science radio podcast and what's the

1228
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:39,619
website is www diffusion radio com

1229
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,250
diffusion radio com that's right

1230
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:44,480
listeners movies check that out thank

1231
00:51:49,540 --> 00:51:46,010
you for coming along to think tank and

1232
00:51:51,819 --> 00:51:49,550
finally bring the microphone hello hi

1233
00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:51,829
how are you fine than you are I'm Diane

1234
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:55,119
you're you're from Twitter oh yeah

1235
00:52:01,180 --> 00:51:57,800
you're known as Diane the score that's

1236
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:01,190
right I'm actually real I exist Diana

1237
00:52:05,170 --> 00:52:03,050
let's go off from Twitter oh thank you

1238
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:05,180
for coming no problem and your you've

1239
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:06,619
been living in Australia for many years

1240
00:52:10,210 --> 00:52:08,630
but he originally from the middle yeah

1241
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:10,220
like almost punk rock Netherlands but I

1242
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:12,170
live in be living in Australia for the

1243
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:14,570
last 10 years you know I also get a bit

1244
00:52:20,589 --> 00:52:18,170
of Dutch and I think she did I did the

1245
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:20,599
news can you say can you say in Dutch

1246
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:23,690
welcome to the skeptic service on how to

1247
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:25,910
alcohol but most were not a skeptics on

1248
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:28,130
all our Dutch listeners have just gone

1249
00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:32,780
into raptures oh now dr. Regina let's

1250
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:35,470
kick off with a very important issue

1251
00:52:43,809 --> 00:52:41,030
yeah yeah we shall some of our listeners

1252
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,819
may have who follow me on Twitter or who

1253
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:46,000
followed my blog the skeptics book.com

1254
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:49,520
may be aware of a story that i blogged

1255
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,410
about on sunday night which was a pro

1256
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:53,750
vaccination story in fact on channel 7

1257
00:52:59,410 --> 00:52:55,430
in Australia on a show called Sunday

1258
00:53:01,120 --> 00:52:59,420
night now you and I both watch that and

1259
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:01,130
then I blogged it and we sent it to a

1260
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:02,750
couple of our very special friends to us

1261
00:53:07,690 --> 00:53:04,609
for help because it turned out to be a

1262
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:07,700
really Pro vaccination story which was

1263
00:53:12,579 --> 00:53:11,000
really really great and i have to say we

1264
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,589
should i was a little bit nervous I

1265
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:14,420
really was nervous sitting down watching

1266
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:16,550
it because they had sort of chromic

1267
00:53:20,349 --> 00:53:18,530
promos on for it leading up to it but it

1268
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:20,359
wasn't really easy to ascertain whether

1269
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:22,250
it was going to be negative you're you

1270
00:53:26,890 --> 00:53:24,890
know and we have unfortunately like a

1271
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:26,900
lot of countries around the world we do

1272
00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:29,720
have our anti backs movement they're not

1273
00:53:34,089 --> 00:53:31,849
as bad as the McCarthy's and carries of

1274
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:34,099
this world all the journey Barnett's of

1275
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:34,460
the

1276
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:39,680
surprised and a very relieved to see

1277
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:41,450
that the story was very much on the

1278
00:53:45,849 --> 00:53:43,160
science side it was actually really

1279
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:45,859
quiet responsible scientific reporting

1280
00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:47,450
it was well researched and it was well

1281
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,540
presented and it didn't equivocate no

1282
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:53,119
absolutely I mean it started off with

1283
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:56,060
the host of sunday night saying this

1284
00:54:01,000 --> 00:53:59,210
debate stops here that's it there is no

1285
00:54:03,099 --> 00:54:01,010
longer a debate and it was centered

1286
00:54:04,510 --> 00:54:03,109
around the death of Donna McCaffrey who

1287
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,520
was four weeks old and she died of

1288
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:07,520
pertussis or whooping cough so it was a

1289
00:54:13,089 --> 00:54:10,730
heart-wrenching story and I sent my blog

1290
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:13,099
to Phil Plait and asked if he could help

1291
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:15,890
us and Kyle Easter just sent it to PZ

1292
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:18,500
Myers at pharyngula and they both very

1293
00:54:23,710 --> 00:54:21,050
generously wrote up the story and link

1294
00:54:26,410 --> 00:54:23,720
to my blog and we had a huge response

1295
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:26,420
from all over the world people writing

1296
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:28,250
to me and writing to fill and running to

1297
00:54:32,730 --> 00:54:30,290
PZ and saying how wonderful it was that

1298
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:32,740
we had this really good positive science

1299
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:36,530
accurate vaccination story just as an

1300
00:54:42,070 --> 00:54:39,050
aside I put the video of that story up

1301
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:42,080
on my youtube channel yes and as of just

1302
00:54:46,060 --> 00:54:44,330
before coming here it's something like

1303
00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:46,070
5,000 hits or something of it

1304
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:48,080
occasionally yesterday it was the second

1305
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:50,330
highest viewed video in Australia is

1306
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:52,250
that right on YouTube yeah yeah we've

1307
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:53,930
had an absolutely overwhelming response

1308
00:54:57,579 --> 00:54:55,310
and most of it has been incredibly

1309
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:57,589
positive but I've been very encouraged

1310
00:55:00,250 --> 00:54:58,970
and very happy that that is what

1311
00:55:01,930 --> 00:55:00,260
happened because you and I worked very

1312
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:01,940
hard on Sunday to get this out there and

1313
00:55:07,690 --> 00:55:05,420
Kylie as well thanks Carly there's two

1314
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:07,700
addendum to this story and listeners

1315
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:12,320
hold on to your seats because many of

1316
00:55:16,990 --> 00:55:14,750
you may recall that I implored you to

1317
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:17,000
email the station and congratulate them

1318
00:55:20,829 --> 00:55:18,950
on this this story and also to

1319
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:20,839
congratulate the reporter Rebecca Madden

1320
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:24,470
for a well-researched story well as I

1321
00:55:28,930 --> 00:55:26,270
expected and unfortunately I have to

1322
00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:28,940
report that the other side have as I

1323
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:31,190
suspected flooded the emails at channel

1324
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:34,730
7 the reaction has been that channel 7

1325
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,849
have decided to have a forum this coming

1326
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:39,920
Saturday because they were accused of

1327
00:55:44,530 --> 00:55:42,580
not presenting the other side feeling

1328
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,540
Richards currently hitting himself in

1329
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:46,160
the head on opinion myself in the head

1330
00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:50,240
with a pen now this is this is I don't

1331
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:53,950
need to tell listeners the policy here

1332
00:56:00,990 --> 00:55:58,880
but it's like saying that the network or

1333
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:01,000
some outlet would give equal time to the

1334
00:56:06,250 --> 00:56:03,710
Holocaust denial exact because the story

1335
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:06,260
wasn't about the people of the channel

1336
00:56:10,540 --> 00:56:08,510
that the network all they know is all

1337
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:10,550
lots of interest let's have another go

1338
00:56:16,930 --> 00:56:14,810
at this more ratings yeah I mean we

1339
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:16,940
happen to have a friend who is sort of

1340
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:19,849
is able to be privy to what the

1341
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:21,530
Australian vaccination Network were

1342
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:23,180
represented as the other side on this

1343
00:56:27,579 --> 00:56:25,310
show and they have a yahoo group and a

1344
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:27,589
friend of mine has access to what they

1345
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:30,410
their exchanges on there in secret and

1346
00:56:34,570 --> 00:56:33,260
she came across that she witnessed their

1347
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:34,580
response immediately following the

1348
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:36,680
airing of the program and what did they

1349
00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:39,170
say Rachel all they said really positive

1350
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:42,560
things Richard they did till they said

1351
00:56:47,410 --> 00:56:45,250
such things as this was the worst ever

1352
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:47,420
representation of our organization ever

1353
00:56:55,210 --> 00:56:49,970
it was worse than I feared it was the

1354
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:55,220
most one-sided story I've ever seen the

1355
00:56:58,599 --> 00:56:56,990
look on the face of that feral woman

1356
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:58,609
interviewing you referring to Meryl

1357
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:00,890
Doreen who was being interviewed was

1358
00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:03,440
just disgusting this is all of my blog

1359
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:05,180
people go to skeptics port com I've

1360
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:06,740
written it it's all transcribed there

1361
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:09,290
yeah they did so that's that their level

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00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:10,000
of

1363
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:12,760
hey is this the same Australian

1364
00:57:18,030 --> 00:57:15,490
vaccination network who have stated on

1365
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:18,040
national television that people do not

1366
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:20,290
all babies do not die from measles or

1367
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:22,450
whooping cough this is the exact same

1368
00:57:26,940 --> 00:57:24,580
one who on Sunday night during this

1369
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:26,950
report by Rebecca Madden said that and

1370
00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:29,650
it was juxtaposed with a picture of a

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00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:32,020
dead baby don't tell me this is the same

1372
00:57:37,860 --> 00:57:35,020
Australian vaccination network who have

1373
00:57:40,110 --> 00:57:37,870
stated publicly that if you pump large

1374
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:40,120
amounts of vitamin C in the people you

1375
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:42,730
can alleviate most emergency situations

1376
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:44,740
of the emergency ward in hospital this

1377
00:57:48,570 --> 00:57:46,660
is the same Australian vaccination

1378
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:48,580
network the ones that if you ask them if

1379
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:50,530
they've got an amputated limb does

1380
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:52,810
vitamin C help then they have no answer

1381
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:55,590
yes you're correct like the papers oh

1382
00:58:01,110 --> 00:57:58,680
dear anyway Richard a friend of ours

1383
00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:01,120
received a call today from channel 7

1384
00:58:06,990 --> 00:58:03,790
about this forum if you are listening to

1385
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:07,000
the show after the first of may 2009

1386
00:58:13,860 --> 00:58:09,970
it's finished and we'll let you know

1387
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:13,870
what happened rachel is this the same

1388
00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:17,230
Australian vaccination regard that said

1389
00:58:23,490 --> 00:58:19,960
you can treat whooping cough with

1390
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:23,500
homeopathy Richard yes finally you've

1391
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:26,710
had a good segue I can't believe it and

1392
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:32,140
yes it is yes absolutely correct now a

1393
00:58:36,660 --> 00:58:34,420
lot of Alice's would be aware of

1394
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:36,670
obviously Alice's are aware of the swine

1395
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:38,410
flu epidemic that's going on at the

1396
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:41,140
moment and I noticed it's a dance to

1397
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,360
Twitter a couple of days ago when it all

1398
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:45,760
started to explode that he was wondering

1399
00:58:48,990 --> 00:58:47,290
how long it would take before the

1400
00:58:50,940 --> 00:58:49,000
alternative medicine people would jump

1401
00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:50,950
on this bandwagon and the homeopaths in

1402
00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:53,350
particular he cited would start coming

1403
00:58:57,870 --> 00:58:55,540
up with cures for swine flu

1404
00:58:59,640 --> 00:58:57,880
now I came across an interesting article

1405
00:59:01,320 --> 00:58:59,650
today I think a lot of our listeners

1406
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:01,330
would know of the newspaper The

1407
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:03,760
Huffington Post have you guys heard of

1408
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:06,250
The Huffington Post it's an American

1409
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:08,770
newspaper and I believe in and you can

1410
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:10,570
tell me applescript that it's supposed

1411
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:14,710
to be kind of liberal and a little bit

1412
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:18,720
silly a little bit progressive yes yeah

1413
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:22,740
well anyway The Huffington Post

1414
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:27,040
published a blog today from a lady by

1415
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:29,530
the name of Kim Evans and it was about

1416
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:30,850
how to protect yourself and your loved

1417
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:34,450
ones from swine flu and she she covered

1418
00:59:37,950 --> 00:59:36,370
the basics of you know don't go out to

1419
00:59:39,630 --> 00:59:37,960
public places are necessarily if there's

1420
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,640
no breaking area wash your hands don't

1421
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:42,160
touch your face blom over and then she

1422
00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:43,990
said that um it's all but that starts

1423
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:46,420
all pretty basic but the other thing you

1424
00:59:51,420 --> 00:59:49,360
can really do is you should deep cleanse

1425
00:59:56,550 --> 00:59:51,430
yourself because that can actually save

1426
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,560
your life what well Richard let me quote

1427
01:00:01,380 --> 00:59:59,200
from her blog at huffington post let me

1428
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:01,390
explain why and to help you understand

1429
01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:04,720
i'm going to provide an analogy your

1430
01:00:08,670 --> 01:00:06,700
trash is overflowing and you have flies

1431
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:08,680
you can approach this problem in a

1432
01:00:13,500 --> 01:00:11,170
couple of ways you can get some bug

1433
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:13,510
spray and attempt to kill the flies but

1434
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:14,770
there's a good chance you'll find that

1435
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:17,890
they just keep coming back and you'll

1436
01:00:23,010 --> 01:00:19,930
also have polluted the air around your

1437
01:00:25,050 --> 01:00:23,020
house so what should you do Richard what

1438
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:25,060
what you should give yourself a colonic

1439
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:37,500
there's the bad joke there's the bad

1440
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:40,630
time so this lady Kim Evan she wrote a

1441
01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:48,640
book called cleaning up ! champagne

1442
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:52,390
animus knows she's quite prolific as a

1443
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,170
blogger in The Huffington Post but I had

1444
01:00:59,880 --> 01:00:58,480
a look into her credentials today and I

1445
01:01:01,530 --> 01:00:59,890
actually posted this on Facebook and I

1446
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:01,540
got some pretty hilarious responses from

1447
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:04,270
people i suspected she might be a

1448
01:01:08,670 --> 01:01:06,160
homeopath as we alluded to earlier so I

1449
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:08,680
checked on her website and it turns out

1450
01:01:13,650 --> 01:01:11,830
that she became interested in cleansing

1451
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:13,660
when she was visiting an international

1452
01:01:19,410 --> 01:01:16,570
country or a foreign country and decided

1453
01:01:22,530 --> 01:01:19,420
to get a cleanse on a whim oh they

1454
01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:22,540
should honor women right and so then on

1455
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:24,580
a whim she wrote a book called cleaning

1456
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:27,010
up and then it says on her website that

1457
01:01:31,170 --> 01:01:29,380
she did lots of research on different

1458
01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:31,180
areas of cleansing and she now realizes

1459
01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:32,950
that you know the toxins in your body

1460
01:01:38,190 --> 01:01:35,560
are the problem and you must clean out

1461
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:38,200
your colon to be healthy I know it is

1462
01:01:45,630 --> 01:01:41,050
princess no effective the princess died

1463
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:45,640
factor she did it I do yeah no she would

1464
01:01:52,650 --> 01:01:49,530
be now she also she also says that um

1465
01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:52,660
unique yeah she says you need to do she

1466
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,630
uses the whole candida overgrowth fungus

1467
01:02:01,470 --> 01:01:58,240
line which they all use and says that

1468
01:02:04,860 --> 01:02:01,480
yeah you need to deep cleanse to save

1469
01:02:06,030 --> 01:02:04,870
yourself from swine flu so but yeah I

1470
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:06,040
think you have some more information

1471
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:08,530
about I think you have it over there we

1472
01:02:13,050 --> 01:02:09,490
found

1473
01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:13,060
just a funny note about the swine flu if

1474
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:15,040
there can be a fun dinner I've got an

1475
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:17,110
article here saying that swine flu is

1476
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:19,630
not kosher in Israel and there are

1477
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:20,770
people within the Israeli government

1478
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:23,290
wanting to call swine flu Mexican glue

1479
01:02:27,330 --> 01:02:25,360
now I was Mexican I'll be highly

1480
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,340
insulted about why do they choose

1481
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:28,960
Mexican because it originated it well

1482
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:31,570
that's where it sort of even that's okay

1483
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:33,670
yeah yeah so I'm swine flu is now

1484
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:35,770
Mexican flu if you're in Israel that's

1485
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:37,630
pretty silly but if you're referring to

1486
01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:41,200
I was referring back to homeopathy no

1487
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:43,990
yeah we do discuss homeopathy from time

1488
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:46,240
to time and vine large until now we sort

1489
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:49,180
of treat in advance a bit silly in a bit

1490
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:53,700
i'm a bit annoying and we all know it's

1491
01:03:00,990 --> 01:02:58,000
doesn't work now how many other theme is

1492
01:03:04,109 --> 01:03:01,000
really proving itself to be a particular

1493
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:04,119
and real danger it is it is it is it's

1494
01:03:09,090 --> 01:03:06,700
it's no longer this funny silly system

1495
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:09,100
that doesn't work no it's not it's

1496
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:10,840
beyond I mean last week I think I was

1497
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:13,780
laughing with you because la canada muah

1498
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:17,440
who is a blogger and a twitterer posted

1499
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:20,500
a picture of a homeopathy person from a

1500
01:03:24,359 --> 01:03:22,330
BBC documentary and our English friends

1501
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:24,369
would have seen is we can't watch the

1502
01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:26,920
BBC in Australia as we repaired our TV

1503
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:29,020
licence even though the Queen runs our

1504
01:03:34,859 --> 01:03:32,290
country apparently we can't access BBC

1505
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:34,869
internet you mean yes yeah yeah yeah

1506
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:36,310
yeah we get the no but it's true because

1507
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:38,770
we haven't paid our TV licence if i'm

1508
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:40,810
wrong english this is send me an email

1509
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:42,770
they can't watch game is

1510
01:03:49,099 --> 01:03:46,170
campaign no it's locked it's locked as

1511
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:49,109
well Shane we're all in the Commonwealth

1512
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,650
it's only right stuff they know about to

1513
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:54,000
basically they license to show stuff in

1514
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:55,770
Australia but they it's different

1515
01:04:00,910 --> 01:03:57,240
licenses with different costs to show it

1516
01:04:05,470 --> 01:04:00,920
overseas or my cut revenue I am one word

1517
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:05,480
torrance thank you well anyway I digress

1518
01:04:10,460 --> 01:04:08,970
but you and I have been looking at this

1519
01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:10,470
website for quite some time it's called

1520
01:04:14,630 --> 01:04:12,420
homeopathy plus it's based in Australia

1521
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:14,640
Oh homie up with the applause are you

1522
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,650
subscribe to their I got the mailing

1523
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:18,119
list don't you richer yeah and you have

1524
01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:20,250
you zat homeopathy plus selling

1525
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:23,099
me your information they sent you an

1526
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:24,810
email today didn't they and it's

1527
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:28,050
entitled greetings this urgent update is

1528
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:29,250
to keep you informed about the

1529
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:31,290
potentially deadly swine flu and how

1530
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:35,220
homeopathy can help currently homeopaths

1531
01:04:40,579 --> 01:04:37,170
initially or the heads around the table

1532
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:40,589
shaking at the moment yeah currently

1533
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:42,359
homeopaths are networking around the

1534
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:44,250
world to cross-match the symptoms of

1535
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:46,050
this flu with the remedies that it will

1536
01:04:51,380 --> 01:04:49,980
treat anyway they said that they've

1537
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:51,390
opened this new section of their website

1538
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:52,890
called flu watch which they will update

1539
01:04:57,260 --> 01:04:55,859
regularly now what they're saying

1540
01:04:58,910 --> 01:04:57,270
Richard is that conventional medicine

1541
01:05:00,800 --> 01:04:58,920
currently has no way of preventing this

1542
01:05:02,450 --> 01:05:00,810
one who know this is true at the moment

1543
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:02,460
yeah because the vaccine that we

1544
01:05:06,620 --> 01:05:03,780
currently have for the flu is not

1545
01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:06,630
designed for swine flu but they have

1546
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:09,329
something that's called flu stop and

1547
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:12,390
they said that this if you have some of

1548
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:14,940
this it contains most of the common

1549
01:05:21,260 --> 01:05:17,369
remedies used to treat and prevent flu

1550
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:21,270
symptoms probation it is treat and

1551
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:24,930
prevent symptoms yes all right that's

1552
01:05:28,339 --> 01:05:26,970
why not yeah I'll this down toward

1553
01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:28,349
they're really trying to fog people

1554
01:05:32,329 --> 01:05:29,880
they're trying to tell people if they

1555
01:05:36,210 --> 01:05:32,339
buy their witchcraft they can be either

1556
01:05:38,849 --> 01:05:36,220
treated for or protected from spine

1557
01:05:40,890 --> 01:05:38,859
well the same symptoms yeah I guess then

1558
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:40,900
inference yeah okay I mean the point

1559
01:05:44,730 --> 01:05:43,210
we're trying to make here is that we

1560
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:44,740
actually have reported this website to

1561
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:48,609
the TGA how long ago Loretta Marin

1562
01:05:52,290 --> 01:05:50,530
actually did submitted a complaint for

1563
01:05:54,780 --> 01:05:52,300
me to those complaints resolution panel

1564
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:54,790
at maybe two months ago and it's a

1565
01:05:59,760 --> 01:05:57,730
glance the complaint that we submitted

1566
01:06:01,710 --> 01:05:59,770
to the TGA which is a Therapeutic Goods

1567
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:01,720
Administration was there page that says

1568
01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:04,000
that they can add a self vaccination

1569
01:06:08,190 --> 01:06:06,040
against meningococcal disease and they

1570
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,200
still do it's right there correctly

1571
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,240
pointed out today they're still saying

1572
01:06:16,410 --> 01:06:13,500
that they can give you homeopathic

1573
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:16,420
inoculation against meningococcal well

1574
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:17,830
it's technically it's called homeo

1575
01:06:22,410 --> 01:06:20,410
prophylaxis but what they say on their

1576
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:22,420
website is that there are currently 13

1577
01:06:26,130 --> 01:06:24,250
strains of meningococcal identified

1578
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:26,140
there are two vaccines developed by

1579
01:06:30,570 --> 01:06:28,330
science they can cover the rest of the

1580
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:30,580
strains now we've submitted this to the

1581
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,710
TGA we've got a letter back saying we've

1582
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:34,720
got your complaint we're processing at

1583
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:37,330
blah blah blah in the meantime that

1584
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:39,810
information is still on the website yeah

1585
01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:42,070
now we're leading into winter in

1586
01:06:46,349 --> 01:06:43,960
Australia that's the season for

1587
01:06:48,930 --> 01:06:46,359
meningococcal I bang on about this all

1588
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:48,940
the time how it's a rapid onset deadly

1589
01:06:54,839 --> 01:06:53,140
high mortality bacterial infection well

1590
01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:54,849
then we have to do and what we're doing

1591
01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:56,830
now is what James Randi did with peter

1592
01:07:01,680 --> 01:06:58,930
Popoff he went yeah was it the authority

1593
01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:01,690
else they wouldn't not any attention to

1594
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:02,440
Iran

1595
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:04,900
so he went to a higher authority he went

1596
01:07:12,930 --> 01:07:08,670
to Johnny Carson yeah Johnny Carson Oh

1597
01:07:14,910 --> 01:07:12,940
Johnny Carson passed away dr. Phil help

1598
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:14,920
I love us on Twitter can i send her a

1599
01:07:20,010 --> 01:07:17,710
direct message not now she's a way what

1600
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:20,020
don't I know she's like dr. Phil Plait

1601
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:25,510
however ah I feel more I'm I think our

1602
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:27,010
audience can well understand our

1603
01:07:32,460 --> 01:07:28,630
concerns I know this is a little bit

1604
01:07:34,530 --> 01:07:32,470
more serious than we usually have the

1605
01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:34,540
thing to do we have any funny stories we

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01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:37,060
do beyond I have a funny story the

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01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,490
funniest yes yes all right go on I want

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:41,920
to give a shout out to read Braden now

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:45,930
read is Rho is one of the members of the

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01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:49,890
two smoking-hot freethinkers podcast and

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01:07:54,059 --> 01:07:52,810
a couple of weeks ago he sort of was it

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01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:54,069
a little bit of strife in terms of

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01:07:58,620 --> 01:07:55,960
funding his podcast so we put out a call

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01:08:01,290 --> 01:07:58,630
for people to send him donations and as

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01:08:02,609 --> 01:08:01,300
a part of that if you wonder you know if

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01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:02,619
you were the quickest person to submit a

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01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:06,670
donation you got to name his podcast now

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01:08:12,390 --> 01:08:08,680
Richards putting his hands over his face

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01:08:18,059 --> 01:08:12,400
now why are you doing that Richard Kiley

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01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:18,069
thank you well actually I think Kylie

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01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:20,859
Sturgis and maybe Joel birch was a job

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01:08:29,070 --> 01:08:26,410
also won the rights to name his podcast

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01:08:31,410 --> 01:08:29,080
for four weeks so I think like a two

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01:08:32,430 --> 01:08:31,420
weeks each but Carly's up first and the

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01:08:34,620 --> 01:08:32,440
name of

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01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:34,630
of red braylon's podcast which is

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01:08:39,300 --> 01:08:36,580
normally two smoking-hot freethinkers is

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01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:39,310
going to be does Richard Saunders bum

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01:08:55,470 --> 01:08:50,440
look big in this podcast she's looking

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01:08:57,090 --> 01:08:55,480
at it now this machine our pastor should

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:08:57,100
set up what past when it goes to air we

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01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:01,930
should set up a poll on which is

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01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:05,170
published in this quarter hey I've got

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01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:10,380
another person right I'm turning the

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01:09:18,030 --> 01:09:15,089
microphone way for angel that mom hey

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01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,040
let's put my champagne okay you are the

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01:09:23,610 --> 01:09:20,759
three people let's talk about this issue

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01:09:28,769 --> 01:09:23,620
there's a new movie coming up called the

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01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:28,779
skeptic oh it sounds good doesn't it

1640
01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:31,060
yeah it's about a skeptic surprise

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01:09:35,610 --> 01:09:32,980
surprise who doesn't believe in anything

1642
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:35,620
no ghosts no nothing no it's all rubbish

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01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:38,020
it's all psychological tricks now in the

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01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:41,290
real universe he's on the money it

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01:09:46,650 --> 01:09:43,480
really is i think but in the wonderful

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01:09:49,229 --> 01:09:46,660
fake imagination and fictitious universe

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01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:49,239
of the movies he actually gets shown up

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01:09:54,060 --> 01:09:51,730
to the SUV skeptic because yes there are

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01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:54,070
ghosts

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01:09:59,880 --> 01:09:57,350
I've seen the trailer to this film has

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01:10:02,260 --> 01:09:59,890
anybody seen the trailer to this film oh

1652
01:10:03,940 --> 01:10:02,270
let's say no Xena yeah and is a

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01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:03,950
definitely real ghosts or not somebody

1654
01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:07,670
trying to fool in wait I wonderful I

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01:10:13,210 --> 01:10:09,680
wonder but I just ever think that

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01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:13,220
perhaps my impression of the trailer was

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01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:15,230
that they just used them when skeptic as

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01:10:19,810 --> 01:10:17,420
a misnomer I really I think they were

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01:10:22,030 --> 01:10:19,820
using it as Finnick yeah many a doubter

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01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:22,040
or something going in there no not us

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01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:23,450
I'm according to the trailer it's more

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01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:25,310
than that it is an absolutely die hard

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01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:29,330
believer now what I mean by that is is a

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01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:31,490
lot of people regard skeptics as

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01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:35,930
believers in other words we don't

1666
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:38,470
believe in ghosts or whatever and that

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01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,970
non-believing is in fact a belief yeah

1668
01:10:46,650 --> 01:10:43,760
we won't believe in ghosts and we won't

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01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:46,660
believe in anything we have a set

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01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,420
mindset which is not the case absolutely

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01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:53,120
not we completely open-minded but he

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:54,800
goes into this house and he has these

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01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:57,410
visions and sees things then goes to his

1674
01:11:02,440 --> 01:10:59,510
Sakaya to restore the college distances

1675
01:11:05,530 --> 01:11:02,450
I saw this how can you explain a silly

1676
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:05,540
skeptical is it yeah yeah I think that

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01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,010
seduces the movie I don't think it's a

1678
01:11:11,380 --> 01:11:08,960
skeptical

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:11,390
that's a good question if listeners

1680
01:11:15,550 --> 01:11:13,130
would go to the Internet Movie Database

1681
01:11:17,530 --> 01:11:15,560
they can see when the movie the skeptic

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01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:17,540
is being released in their area you've

1683
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:19,100
got to be in five four free tickets for

1684
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,170
review short surely you'd be in line to

1685
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,120
get free review to get speaking also

1686
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,040
give do you think good publicity for

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01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:27,440
them even if you don't mind it we are

1688
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:29,960
still waiting for the phone call I'm

1689
01:11:34,959 --> 01:11:31,370
still waiting for my pharmaceutical

1690
01:11:36,490 --> 01:11:34,969
she'll money you too skeptic a spell in

1691
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:36,500
the American Way which is the way that

1692
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:39,410
we spell to actually with a cane that's

1693
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:41,630
all so the skeptic it might be a lot of

1694
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:53,260
can I just check my tires got number

1695
01:12:00,430 --> 01:11:57,290
five days now but i must say that we are

1696
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:00,440
really grateful for our three new guests

1697
01:12:07,209 --> 01:12:03,170
to come along here it's really great to

1698
01:12:11,229 --> 01:12:07,219
see everybody what what is your opinion

1699
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:11,239
now I Rachel and I are diehard skeptics

1700
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:13,130
we have been for ages now we know that

1701
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:14,719
the ropes were all

1702
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:17,580
you sort of you people are sort of a

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01:12:20,930 --> 01:12:19,770
little bit outside of the loop i guess

1704
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,940
you could say and you sort of pick up

1705
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:23,280
things on the internet how important was

1706
01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:25,830
that been to what to informing your

1707
01:12:33,620 --> 01:12:30,110
opinions for pretty pretty important um

1708
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:33,630
yeah i mean i travel a lot read a lot

1709
01:12:38,660 --> 01:12:36,510
and I suppose I keep asking questions

1710
01:12:41,540 --> 01:12:38,670
when I'm going around with people and

1711
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,550
things welcome what do you use to keep

1712
01:12:46,609 --> 01:12:43,500
update just emails or you go to blogs

1713
01:12:48,919 --> 01:12:46,619
and forums I know I don't do a lot of

1714
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:48,929
bugs and starting to do people we didn't

1715
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:52,320
get coffee not usually um I'm fighting

1716
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:53,790
and doing a bit more Twitter and stuff

1717
01:13:02,270 --> 01:12:56,550
like that yeah but I get my someone use

1718
01:13:04,459 --> 01:13:02,280
by my google home baby which I have

1719
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:04,469
set up with all the feeds coming in or

1720
01:13:09,169 --> 01:13:07,530
different you know subscribe to lots of

1721
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:09,179
different science reports and stuff like

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01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:11,600
that so read a lot of them

1723
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:17,010
yeah and then I read a lot I'm traveling

1724
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:20,130
alone in my way your travel oh well I

1725
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:22,110
just got back from Hawaii I'm just got

1726
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:24,090
to go around the world yeah you're going

1727
01:13:31,070 --> 01:13:27,330
timing meeting yeah I hadn't booked yet

1728
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:31,080
so I'm filling if I planted leaving in

1729
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:33,630
two weeks yeah you were lovin it should

1730
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:35,760
be fun hopefully thanks lucky and what

1731
01:13:42,110 --> 01:13:38,340
about you well I use the internet a lot

1732
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:42,120
so I'm you know I follow three to four

1733
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:44,100
hundred people on Twitter and there's a

1734
01:13:47,150 --> 01:13:45,570
lot of information coming through its

1735
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:47,160
pre-filtered because all the skeptics

1736
01:13:50,270 --> 01:13:49,230
and all the interesting people send your

1737
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,280
links of all the things they've found

1738
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:52,380
and you can share what you found so I

1739
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:53,850
get a lot of information from there and

1740
01:13:57,380 --> 01:13:55,410
I still look at the blogs and RSS as

1741
01:14:00,410 --> 01:13:57,390
well and I get press releases sent in

1742
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:00,420
for the radio show yeah so there's peace

1743
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:02,820
there's lots of information so you can

1744
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,610
find out without even just from Twitter

1745
01:14:11,450 --> 01:14:06,960
you can stay there all day on just on

1746
01:14:13,970 --> 01:14:11,460
Twitter couldn't you I am I know you're

1747
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:13,980
on Twitter of course Diana Michael thank

1748
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:17,310
you yes I am actually it's funny that

1749
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:19,110
you mentioned that i I'm a behaviorist

1750
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:20,250
that I work with children with autism

1751
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:23,670
and as a behaviorist you look very

1752
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:24,930
objectively at things than you

1753
01:14:28,450 --> 01:14:26,850
researching you make your treatment

1754
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:28,460
decisions based on the data that you get

1755
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:31,170
but eighty to ninety percent of my

1756
01:14:37,820 --> 01:14:34,260
clients actually have adjunct treatments

1757
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:37,830
they do really anything else that is not

1758
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:40,050
really science ebay stand I guess

1759
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,650
getting more into skepticism I I

1760
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:45,600
actually struggling a little bit too how

1761
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:48,210
to deal with that with families dealing

1762
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:49,890
with children with autism and making

1763
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:51,360
trip and choices that I can't

1764
01:14:55,820 --> 01:14:54,390
necessarily underwrite and it's yeah

1765
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:55,830
it's been tricky so I've been reading up

1766
01:15:01,640 --> 01:14:59,040
a lot more and it's it's good to see

1767
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,650
your perspective and the skeptic side

1768
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,840
perspective but I can also see very

1769
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:05,460
desperate parents so it's very

1770
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:08,640
interesting for me to see both sides

1771
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:11,730
interesting now let's give a big plug

1772
01:15:14,770 --> 01:15:13,170
for everybody's twitter i think we've

1773
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:14,780
mentioned your twitter about six times

1774
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:17,520
daniel underscore know what is it

1775
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:20,460
dynasty and your toilet i'm ian wolf

1776
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:29,640
with 2 o's well i'm gonna split it's

1777
01:15:35,090 --> 01:15:32,760
going to come up with in the third I'm

1778
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:35,100
just boring Rachel done long with a name

1779
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:37,650
with an IRS chal and of course if you

1780
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:39,210
want to follow the show itself the

1781
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:43,620
skeptics own show its skeptics are 51 11

1782
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:44,760
would we should also mention that

1783
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:46,770
Australian skeptics are on Twitter yes

1784
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:49,170
Australian skeptics the Rachel I above

1785
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:51,990
committee members and I work on the

1786
01:15:59,450 --> 01:15:56,480
magazine of course aust a young st

1787
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,460
skeptics for the care with a k is the

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01:16:04,490 --> 01:16:01,440
austrian visual australian skeptics

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01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:04,500
twitter so please um I should have you

1790
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,810
had there or if you had to my account of

1791
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:08,880
your account you can find everyone that

1792
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:12,170
you need to follow do you think school

1793
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:15,210
including Stephen Fry yes including

1794
01:16:20,650 --> 01:16:17,370
providing Stephen Fry you will not find

1795
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:20,660
Oprah blisters and robert Llewellyn

1796
01:16:26,150 --> 01:16:23,910
actually enjoyed by robert Llewellyn who

1797
01:16:29,210 --> 01:16:26,160
played bright quotient in red dwarf

1798
01:16:31,970 --> 01:16:29,220
mm-hm and EDS i danced is now on switch

1799
01:16:34,460 --> 01:16:31,980
oh he's so cute on twitter he's nice he

1800
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:34,470
goes he seems to want to use up his 140

1801
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:36,030
characters irrespective of how many

1802
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:37,800
words he's got so he'll fill up his

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01:16:43,220 --> 01:16:41,100
space with ! she's so sweet and he gets

1804
01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:43,230
so cranky then he doesn't have a gap

1805
01:16:47,180 --> 01:16:45,420
between words is he gets almost

1806
01:16:49,010 --> 01:16:47,190
sometimes it's just like a one of those

1807
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,020
cranky believers whose just you know

1808
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:50,640
can't turn off caps lock and just like

1809
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:55,440
that homeopathy is stupid Oh Richard we

1810
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,760
have to give a big shout out to one of

1811
01:17:02,340 --> 01:16:58,480
our loyal listeners

1812
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,350
jon burge jon burge it's birthday today

1813
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:04,480
yes that what are we recording this it

1814
01:17:08,970 --> 01:17:06,489
is yeah I mean it will be a few days

1815
01:17:11,550 --> 01:17:08,980
later I'll be birthday Joe for a few

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01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:11,560
days ago have you got there Joel happy

1817
01:17:17,670 --> 01:17:14,530
birthday Joe and to wrap up this

1818
01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:17,680
wonderful think tank with a great new

1819
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:21,340
participants here tonight Diane would

1820
01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:22,570
you like to wrap it up for our

1821
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:24,670
international audience heartily bedankt

1822
01:17:47,609 --> 01:17:27,070
voor lost her now the think tank on

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01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,839
if you're looking for research on

1824
01:17:54,369 --> 01:17:52,159
skepticism and women gender issues the

1825
01:17:58,719 --> 01:17:54,379
facts about superstition education and

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01:18:01,119 --> 01:17:58,729
the wonder of science head to www com

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01:18:03,369 --> 01:18:01,129
the site of pod black cat it's been

1828
01:18:05,409 --> 01:18:03,379
described by dr. ben goldacre as a blog

1829
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:05,419
that wins on timing pneus accuracy

1830
01:18:12,009 --> 01:18:09,129
relevance and well rather silly names

1831
01:18:34,279 --> 01:18:12,019
w-w-whoa black calm and what do you

1832
01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:36,719
Richard you've done it if you've

1833
01:18:41,639 --> 01:18:39,309
outstripped yourself yet again with the

1834
01:18:43,589 --> 01:18:41,649
biggest zone ever I think I'm going to

1835
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:43,599
have to have a lie down for a whole week

1836
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:45,010
and when I get up again I'm going to

1837
01:18:48,089 --> 01:18:46,329
listen to that show again and do it all

1838
01:18:49,889 --> 01:18:48,099
again and do it all again what are what

1839
01:18:52,759 --> 01:18:49,899
what a fantastic interview of statement

1840
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:52,769
from ya when dr. Adon pulling no punches

1841
01:18:57,540 --> 01:18:55,090
she's pretty serious about that stuff as

1842
01:18:59,819 --> 01:18:57,550
she should be as it should be now coming

1843
01:19:02,459 --> 01:18:59,829
up in the next week's show we have a

1844
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:02,469
report of a ghost to her in adelaide who

1845
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:05,110
is and we speak to the tour guide who

1846
01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:06,610
sort of into the bit of the paranormal

1847
01:19:12,540 --> 01:19:10,030
oh really oh yeah we find ghosts find

1848
01:19:15,449 --> 01:19:12,550
out oh geez let me think I wonder if you

1849
01:19:17,339 --> 01:19:15,459
do or not and we got many more guests

1850
01:19:18,810 --> 01:19:17,349
lined up over the coming weeks and I

1851
01:19:20,939 --> 01:19:18,820
think you're going to tell us a little

1852
01:19:22,679 --> 01:19:20,949
bit about your trip to Hong Kong me yeah

1853
01:19:23,850 --> 01:19:22,689
I think of a my dude a little report on

1854
01:19:25,379 --> 01:19:23,860
that next week we'll see how he goes

1855
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:25,389
there we go digging up a few

1856
01:19:29,459 --> 01:19:27,489
superstitions and things and villain

1857
01:19:33,239 --> 01:19:29,469
hitters and stuff villain hitters Dylan

1858
01:19:34,859 --> 01:19:33,249
heaters is an amazing little thing so

1859
01:19:38,339 --> 01:19:34,869
yeah thanks again and thanks listeners

1860
01:19:39,929 --> 01:19:38,349
for tuning in and giving a such great

1861
01:19:42,179 --> 01:19:39,939
support it's been really good to be part

1862
01:19:43,620 --> 01:19:42,189
of this thanks everybody and we look

1863
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:43,630
forward to doing another show for you

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01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:52,280
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